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Private

Harry Vincent Gilbert

Service Number 50759
Military Unit 8th Bn Royal Fusiliers (City of London Regiment)
Date of birth Unknown
Date of Death 03 May 1917 (32 Years Old)
Place of Birth Nottingham
Employment, Education or Hobbies 1901 - warehouseman (fancy draper). 1911 - drapers' salesman and working as a salesman when he attested in 1916.
Family History

Harry Vincent was the eldest son of James Osman and Lavina Gilbert (née Grundy). He father James was born in Nottingham in 1863 and his mother Lavina in 1861, also in Nottingham. They were married at Sneinton St Luke in August 1884 and had six children, one of whom died in infancy and a second in childhood. All the children were born in Nottingham: Harry Vincent b. 1885, Ellen Lydia birth registered 1887 (J/F/M), James Frederick b. 1888 d. 1888, Grace b. 1889, Sarah Annie (Annie) birth registered 1892 (J/F/M) d. 1902 (A/M/J) and Walter b. 1894. All six children were baptised at Sneinton St Luke, Harry on 28 June 1885. As shown by their addresses when the children were baptised, James and Lavina moved home frequently in the early years of their marriage: 1885 Ford Street, 1887 Storer Street, 1889 Stewart Place and still at Stewart Place at the time of the 1891 Census, 1892 Flewitt Place and 1894 Hawkridge Street. By 1901 James, warehouseman (hosiery) and his wife were living at 56 Lees Hill Street, Sneinton, with their five surviving children, Harry a warehouseman (fancy drapery), Ellen, Grace, Annie and Walter. Sarah Annie died aged 10 the following year. In 1911 the family was living at 25 Sneinton Boulevard. Only three of the four children were living at home: Ellen a clerk, Grace a hosiery mender and Walter an apprentice (hosiery). Harry, a draper's salesman, was one of four boarders at Moscow Road, Bayswater, London, the home of Thomas and Annie Parkinson. Harry Vincent married Florence May Brooks (b. 30th May 1886) in 1912 (reg. A/M/J Lewisham London) and had three children, James Harry b. 1913, Peggy Gertrude b. 1914 and Grace Annie b. 1916. They lived at 62 Cottingham Road, Nottingham. His widow was awarded a pension of 26 shillings and 9 pence a week commencing 31st December 1917; at this time she was living at 78 Goddard Avenue, Newland Avenue, Hull. However, it is likely that she and the children later returned to Nottingham. Harry's parents were living at 96 Sneinton Dale when he was killed in May 1917. Lavina died at home six months later on 18 November. Her husband died on 20 June 1940; he was still living at 96 Sneinton Dale. Harry's brother Walter also served in the war. He attested on 30 August 1916 at the age of 22 years 73 days, but was not mobilised until 11 January 1917. He was posted to the Sherwood Foresters (69929 Private) at the Derby Depot, but in the April was transferred to the 2/5th Yorkshire Regiment. However, by November 1917 Walter was serving with the Army Service Corps (3/383105 Private), which may have reflected his civilian occupation of clerk/warehouseman. He was discharged to Class 'Z' Army Reserve on 11 October 1919 (Woolwich Dockyard); it is unlikely that he served overseas. Walter was living in West Bridgford, Nottingham, when he enlisted. He married Ethel May Fincham at West Bridgford, Nottingham, in June 1919 and gave his address on discharge as Melton Grove, West Bridgford. Harry's sister Ellen Lydia married Sydney Holmes Pomeroy (b. 1884) at Sneinton St Luke in July 1915 and they lived on Gregory Boulevard, Nottingham. Sydney attested on 9 December 1915, transferred to the Army Reserve the following day and was not moblised until 5 September 1916. He served in the Army Service Corps (234432) - his civilian occupation had been manager of a branch newspaper office. He served with the BEF France from 18 November 1916 until 13 November 1919 then returned to the UK where he was discharged on 12 December.

Military History

8th Bn Royal Fusiliers (City of London) Regiment. Formerly 5494 Royal Fusiliers. Harry Victor attested in Croydon on 6 June 1916 under the Derby Scheme (Reserve Class B). He was aged 31 years 2 months, living in Hackbridge and employed as a salesman. He was posted to the 30th Bn. Royal Fusiliers, later serving in the 8th Bn., and served with the BEF France from 10 October 1916. Pte Gilbert's battalion was involved in heavy fighting at the start of the Battle of Arras and he was killed in action on 3 May 1917 (date 'on or since death presumed'). He has no known grave and his name is commemorated on the Arras Memorial, France (Bay 3). He qualified for the British War Medal and Victory Medal.

Extra Information

Surrey Recruitment Registers 1908-1933. Attested Croydon, 6 June 1916, HV Gilbert b. 1885 Nottingham, age 31y 2m, occupation salesman. Height 5ft.7.5ins, Weight 140lbs. Posted 30th Bn Royal Fusiliers. Series: DERBY SCHEME MEN, 20TH JANUARY 1916 - 1ST DECEMBER 1916 ‘Derby Scheme men. Reserve Class B Groups is written on the cover and Class [1 or 7] on the spine. Dates and recruitment centres covered are: Epsom, 20th January 1916 to 30th June 1916, Richmond, 20th January 1916 to 3rd August 1916, Peckham, 20th January 1916 to 1st December 1916, Wimbledon 20th January 1916 to 8th June 1916. Recruitment numbers are not entered sequentially and range between 501 and 14697. This volume has been indexed.’ (source: Find My Past website) CWGC Additional information: 'Son of James Osman Gilbert and May Gilbert, of 96, Sneinton Dale, Nottingham.' Nottingham Evening Post, ‘Deaths,’ 20 & 21 November 1917: ‘Gilbert. On November 18th, 1917, at 96 Sneinton-dale, Lavina, the dearly beloved wife of J.O. Gilbert aged 56 years. Service St Luke’s Church, Carlton-road, Thursday, 1.30pm, interment General Cemetery. Friends please accept this, the only intimation.’ (www.britishnewspaperarchive.co.uk) Nottingham Evening Post, ‘Deaths,’ 21 June 1940: ‘Gilbert.June 20th, 96 Sneinton-dale, James O Gilbert, our beloved father, passed peacefully away. Service St Phillip’s Church, 11.30,General Cemetery, 12 noon, Saturday.’ (www.britishnewspaperarchive.co.uk) Note: Sneinton St Luke church, where members of the Gilbert family had been baptised and married and where Lavina's funeral service had taken place in 1917, was closed and sold at the end of 1924 and the building demolished the following year. St Phillip's church was closed in 1963 and demolished in 1964. It is not known whether St Luke's had a WW1 war memorial, but St Phillip's installed five stained glass windows in the chancel apse as a memorial to those from the parish who had died in the war and on the north wall of the chancel there was a brass plaque with a double column of names of the men from the parish who had died. It is not known whether the windows or plaque survived. (Southwell & Nottingham Church History Project website)

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